# 23 How to talk so kids will listen
Donald and Gina are the proud parents of three children. Donald is an author, speaker, EFT Practitioner, and Behavior Transformation Specialist and Gina is an Occupational Therapist, writer,homeschooler, child-led Learning Coach and Behavior Transformation Specialist. Along with the joys and challenges of everyday parenting, the Grothoff family has experienced issues with mental illness,